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When did the Germans put bolt disassembly discs into stocks?

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Posts: 2361 (08/03/08 12:41 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Title says it all.....when did that start? GREG
cwd1013		#1	[-]
Posts: 608 (08/05/08 10:35 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	WWI GEW98's/Kar98-a's had them, not sure if that was the START but no later than that for sure. They STOPPED using them in very late 44/ early 45.
Wulfmann		#2	[-]
Posts: 399 (08/06/08 11:32 AM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Good question and can't find a definitive answer so hoping one of us can. The only ones I see from WWI are post war guns and not guns actually used in the war so it is possible it started with the "transitional" guns both Gew and K98a but I am only looking at Ball's Mauser book. I do notice the hole in the trigger guard (which I use as a dismount on mt VZ-24s) is present on all the WWI guns and the disc on those are unit disc usually flat. However, I have also noticed some of the unit disc have a recessed center but am not sure if that is deep enough for disassembly of the bolt firing pin assembly. I see no evidence the type used on the K98k was used before the Weimar transitional guns. Does anyone have evidence otherwise?? Wulfmann "The right to bear arms should not be infringed upon if only to prevent tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson; Constitutional debates.
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Posts: 576 (08/06/08 04:02 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	1916 was the year for the start of 2 changes to the Gew 98. One was to add the finger grooves to the stocks and the second was to get rid of the unit disc hole for the bolt takedown disc. That was when it started but it was not totally standard until 1917. I wish I could cite a source, I know I read it in a book and it is listed on www.gewehr98.com, but I am not sure what book I saw it in and mine are all packed away right now.
Wulfmann		#4	[-]
Posts: 400 (08/06/08 04:27 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Usually, when the German military issues a new directive it is not done immediately but begins at the start of the production cycle so depending on when in 1916 it was issued it could be well into 1917 before it started showing up but, that is not fact just what has been typical as they don't throw away any parts just use them up in the order they came. I am sure your memory is correct but I also know today without a link some don't believe you. It is even harder when there is no link anyway just an old book to which it is discounted for not being electronic!! Try posting about military history and when you say your source was a personal conversation with an RAF Spitfire pilot at a meeting in the Imperial War Museum on the 50th anniversary of the end of WWII you are told it is BS because there is no link!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I did not have a PC in 1995) Wulfmann "The right to bear arms should not be infringed upon if only to prevent tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson; Constitutional debates.
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Posts: 725 (08/06/08 05:54 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have an old worn 1916 Spandau with finger grooves and takedown disc, but it is a mismatch with nothing to confirm that the stock is original to that rifle or date. Still, I can find no reference that predates this as yet, so I'm betting that it is probably correct, at least for actual production.

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