Ground off Yugo Crest with Mod.98 and PREDUZECE 44

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rlarson13	Ground off Yugo Crest with Mod.98 and PREDUZECE 44	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1 (11/18/07 09:47 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I'm sorry if this has been asked before. search only brough up the ground off german crest and my google searches were also bust. I new to the forum and just picked up a yugo referb 98K with most of the markings but the Yugo crest was ground off the top of the action. Any idea on why or just my luck. Thanks in advance. Rich
nothernug		#1	[-]
Posts: 10356 (11/18/07 10:14 PM) Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Howdy rlarson13 and welcome to the forum. Questions, including repeats, are always welcome! I'm assuming the receiver ring has been refinished consistent with the rest of the arm? Mod 98 (no /48 behind it?) would be a German Mauser refurbed at Kragujevac (Preduzece44) before 1950. The German markings were ground as part of the refurb process. This rifle may have been intended for export thus the Yugo crest being omitted. Export rifles usually had all Yugo markings left off but they're seen like this from time to time. Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
rlarson13	Ground off yugo crest	#2	[-]
Posts: 2 (11/19/07 07:58 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks for the reply. This rifle has the yugo crest ground off but non of the other re-arsenal marks ground off the metal or wood. here's a picture (I hope)
nothernug		#3	[-]
Posts: 10360 (11/19/07 11:00 AM) Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Now that is different. That rifle didn't leave the factory that way. My 'guess,' and it's only that, is that somebody used this rifle in the 90's and in opposition to or defiant of the Former Yugoslavia, ground it off. Kind of interesting actually. Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
ab4ka		#4	[-]
Posts: 758 (11/20/07 01:54 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	very interesting...almost like an Arisaka with the defaced mum. I've never seen a Yugo with a scrubbed crest...pretty neat. "Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less." Robert E. Lee
WVchuck		#5	[-]
Posts: 10030 (11/20/07 07:24 AM) site moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Centerfire Systems is advertising 24/47's with ground mums....I mean crests.
nothernug		#6	[-]
Posts: 10367 (11/20/07 10:28 AM) Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Is it just me or does that trace not really look like being from a Yugo Commie crest? Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
rlarson13		#7	[-]
Posts: 3 (11/20/07 03:45 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I was thinking the same thing. the remaining doesn't match any of the yugo crests I've seen. My Branko book is still in the mail so I can't be sure. Has anyone bought one of the 24/47's from centerfire and does it look similar. If it was just one person or small group, I would think they would have done a better job.
Bear43		#8	[-]
Posts: 397 (11/20/07 04:13 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I also was thinking that the remnants of the crest do not look Yugo. It is definitely an interesting piece though. I wonder if whatever was being done was not completed though since it was left in the white. Just wondering aloud
ab4ka		#9	[-]
Posts: 761 (11/21/07 02:43 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think you're on to something there...it sure doesn't look like the crest on my Yugo refurb K98k. "Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less." Robert E. Lee
nothernug		#10	[-]
Posts: 10374 (11/21/07 10:17 AM) Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Branko agrees with us. Apparently he looked in because he attached this comment in an email about something else we were discussing... "You say with good reason : 'that trace of a stamp doesn't look to me like any part of a Yugo crest'." Unfortunately, he had no suggestion as what it could be. In hopes of finding an answer by increasing exposure, I borrowed the pics (hope you don't mind) and cross posted this onto Gunboards. You can view that here... http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=13437 Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie until you can find a rock. Will Rogers Last Edited By: nothernug 11/21/07 10:56 AM. Edited 2 times.
kenb		#11	[-]
Posts: 289 (11/21/07 10:49 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Czech rampant lion? http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/4653/vz24.htm When the going gets tough, the tough get Mosin Nagant. Last Edited By: kenb 11/21/07 10:52 AM. Edited 1 times.
Bear43		#12	[-]
Posts: 399 (11/21/07 11:11 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You know, I think that is a real possiblity there, Kenb.
rlarson13		#13	[-]
Posts: 4 (11/21/07 12:18 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Have at it. I'm tracing back the original owner (at least on this side of atlantic) to see if he can give some more details when he bought it. Only crest I could find that looked like it might fit was the the chec lion crest but I couldn't find a detailed enough copy to layover.
Claven2		#14	[-]
Posts: 1104 (11/27/07 09:20 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Perhaps it's the remains of an Iraqi or syrian crest?
rlarson13		#15	[-]
Posts: 5 (11/29/07 11:31 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Struck out with finding the original owner. Like so many surplus arms, it traces back to a bargain bin at an unnamed gun store, so no luv. Haven't been able to find a Syrian crest to compare it to but the blue book of gun values, 28^th edition has several crests. The only one that looks anything like it is close is still the Czechoslovakian crest. If that's the case, any speculation on how that would happen? Norhernug, please thank Mr. Bogdanovic for me. Not many national archivists that would take the time.
nothernug		#16	[-]
Posts: 10401 (11/29/07 05:24 PM) Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It wouldn't be Iraqi. That's a triangular crest. Sryian crest maybe. It's quite intricate. We're very lucky to have Branko. As far as I know, ours is the only such forum he follows. And he didn't just go away as soon as his book was published as some authors have. He has also shared a lot of stuff not in the book too. Very generous that. He has put into public domain much he could control under copyright. Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
gunslinger586		#17	[-]
Posts: 1819 (11/30/07 09:45 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	rlarson13, I wouldn't find a czech crest all that surprising being pressed into yugoslav service. The germans used oodles of czech weaponry in WWII and to think this one could have fallen into yugo hands is a real possibility. Too bad it is not intact as that is a super cool piece. I wish I had bought all the yugo mausers and SKSs I saw at gunshows with all the stock carving and such. Just a few short years ago they could not give such rifles away around my neck of the woods.Hindsight. Nothernug, goose52 is another accomplished author and readily available for comment. We have some great guys on this forum.
nothernug		#18	[-]
Posts: 10410 (11/30/07 10:49 PM) Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"Nothernug, goose52 is another accomplished author and readily available for comment. We have some great guys on this forum." Not sure I follow you there. But I do agree with you on our having a great bunch of guys! Unfortunately, I can't at the moment recall a "goose52." What's his area of expertise? If it's Yugos, he's sure welcome to Chime in here! (for the record, he'd be welcome in any case, expertise or not.) Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie until you can find a rock. Will Rogers
jwh2	Yugo Crest	#19	[-]
Posts: 1525 (12/01/07 01:26 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Goose 52's area of interest is in FN49's. His book is about them. Joe
gunslinger586		#20	[-]
Posts: 1820 (12/01/07 10:59 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	nug, didn't mean to be vague, I was just following up on your comment about Branko. Goose52 ran a survey forever on the FN49s and has compiled a book on it. I think it is great to be able to reach guys of their calibre for even the simplest of questions.